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Post by emeli rubel on Apr 3, 2020 9:04:33 GMT
Some things that stood out to me in the show was how young some of the kids there were. Another thing was the fact they were able to cook their own food. Also, there was no footage of them taking showers. The show is similar to the Lord of the Flies because the big kids are more respected and they do whatever they want but the little kids are taken for granted. More specifically, the red team leader showed the same characteristics as Piggy because he is the weak, sensitive one and got picked on by the big kids. The difference between the book and the show is that they had food supplies and in the book they had to fend for themselves. Also, the kids could leave at the end of the week if they wanted to and there is no escaping the island in the book. I would not let my kid go on this show and in this situation because the kids aren't safe and 40 days is a really long time even if they can go home or not. This show resembles reality because you can see the different social groups being formed and who are the natural leaders.
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Post by Joey Allen on Apr 3, 2020 10:05:36 GMT
With the show, I had very mixed feelings about it. one of them being how one-sided the kids are, showing one and only one attribute about their person. in LOTF, even Jack and Ralph have ups and downs, and it's hard for me to have a perspective on each kid. With Jack and Ralph, I feel as though they're pretty bad leaders, but good in my eyes because of the state of panic of everyone, especially the littluns, they do a good job of making sure everyone is alive and calm. but still, with how stuck up and arrogant Jack is, and how short-tempered Ralph is at piggy, it shows that even the stress reaches them.
Perhaps the biggest reason for this is because, in the show, all the kids are given food for forty days. this and the kids being one-sided have stood out for my perspective of the show. with how I was as a child, even now, I would not trust my kids to be on a show like this. Even if every once in awhile adults show up, even I would crumble from this atmosphere. Though it is a dramatic show, it most definitely does not portray reality. with the dramatization of emotions and the bonds between the kids being the center point of the show, that's all there is to it. back to the food though, these kids don't have time for fear and emotion, leading it to bottle up and grow into areas that lead to one-sided thinking, causing more problems than just being on an island. from my perspective, the drama is still high in the book and the show, but the kids on the aren't fighting for their lives, which is the big line between this show and lord of the flies.
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Post by Autumn Davis on Apr 3, 2020 14:03:21 GMT
Something that stood out to me while viewing part of Kid Nation was that many out the kids are easily frustrated and unwilling to cooperate with others. Also, I immediately was a little bit disappointed that the producers of the show chose the council members; this immediate social separation seems unnecessary, and it takes away from the children being able to truly be able to form their own society. This show is similar to Lord of the Flies in that it is a society of kids with a designated leader(s) in which most of the kids do not feel like their leaders are adequate. However, the kids in Lord of the Flies have no adult supervision, and are truly stranded with virtually no man-made resources. Also, Kid Nation is a reality show, meaning that there is some adult supervision from the host and the production crew, probably as well as added drama to promote viewers. Based on this, I probably would not allow my kid to be placed into this reality show environment, since the actual experiences would probably be dramatized, such as the addition of the golden stars.
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Post by Madden on Apr 3, 2020 14:39:59 GMT
Some things that stood out to me was that the leaders where not necessarily liked in the beginning but as days passed kids started to accept and like there leaders, as well as towards the end how all of the kids started to be able to work together. This show is similar to LOTF in the way that a big group of kids have to work together to stay alive. Its different because the kids in the show where picked and put in the town on purpose and have the choice to leave. I would not put my kids in this position first because if they get hurt or a wild animal attacks them they are in the middle of no where with no help. Second people just don't no how other kids will react to other kids. This show has a little bit of reality because it helps to show what people in power have to deal with and helps people understand the effort that goes into running a town.
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Post by Isaiah Robles on Apr 3, 2020 15:24:17 GMT
Some of the events that stood out to me was how fake just one part was. When the kid DK got hurt from a "sudden" pain he was screaming like he was constipated. I think that whole part was scripted because when somebody normally falls when they are hurt they don't scream like that, they actually scream less or don't scream at all. One similar think with this and LOTF is that it is a bunch of kids with no supervision trying to figure out how to survive. One big difference is that the kids on kid nation are in an abandoned town with buildings and structures every where while the boys in LOTF are in the middle of the wilderness. I would willingly send my child because this show is so fake that I wouldn't worry about my kid getting hurt. This all shows that this show is not reality but rather scripted because there are too many scenes where drama occurs and when it does occur the kids just look like bad actors. I now see why this show was cancelled because of all the planned out scenes in this show.
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Post by Kat Davis on Apr 3, 2020 16:07:36 GMT
The biggest thing I noticed was how the kids processed each scenario, mostly that each processed it differently. In some scenarios, some kids stood up and fixed the problem while others begged for food without realizing just how long it takes to make actual food because yeah real mac and cheese takes longer to make then your kraft dinner does Jimmy. In Lord of the Flies, the kids were left with just about nothing, and yet society formed there, here, there was a society established, with a reward system, instructions, and supplies, as well as predetermined leaders. This show is entirely different from Lord of the Flies because the book was written as an example of how society behaves in a strange situation. When reading Lord of the Flies, you can see how the characters, each who represents different groups of people in society, react to different issues that arise. Here, however, we are simply watching a bunch of kids who have no clue how to lead, work together, or how to even wait for a meal at the end of the day, run around like headless chickens for forty days. I would very much so allow my kid to do this, with the hope that they would be smarter than these kids when leading others, creating a stable environment, and when making decisions that would affect the other kids. I don't believe that this shows reality at all, not only because they weren't stranded, or because they had all the supplies they could need, but also because they know when they are leaving. They know that all they have to do is survive there for forty days and that's it, they get to go home to their Kraft dinner and a warm bed. In Lord of the flies, the situation is completely different, and much more realistic. The boys have no clue when they are going home, if they are at all, and they have nothing. This show is nothing like Lord of the flies except the fact that a bunch of kids is stranded somewhere and have to try to survive.
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Post by Navin F. on Apr 3, 2020 16:16:24 GMT
Some things that stood out to me right off the bat were the conflicting personalities of the leaders which hindered their ability to lead. I thought that Mike reveled in the power vested in him from the start. He was doing less work than everyone else and thought it was okay because he was the "leader." Sanjay was also the most logical of the leaders and voice of intelligence, but he was completely ignored. The leader's inability to lead from the start caused chaos and argument amongst the kids. This show follows the premise of Lord of the Flies where kids are stranded in the middle of nowhere with no adults. There are differences in the show which make it easier because people are preselected to lead and they are given all of the provisions that they need. Lord of the Flies takes a more realistic approach where their provisions are destroyed in a plane crash, so they have to resort to hunting and gathering techniques, unlike Kid Nation. In reality, there also aren't any preselected leaders and instructions on how to run society. In a real situation, this structure would have to be made up. In addition, there are no gold stars in reality. You do something commendable so that you don't all die. I think that the gold star is just planted to cause further conflict and drama in the show. I could go either way on letting my child do this. I wouldn't ask if they wanted to, but if my kid deliberately asked me to be in that show, I would put them in it. I would put them in unless they asked because lessons that can be learned from the experience are drowned by chaos, drama, and misery.
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Post by Navin F. on Apr 3, 2020 16:17:06 GMT
Some things that stood out to me right off the bat were the conflicting personalities of the leaders which hindered their ability to lead. I thought that Mike reveled in the power vested in him from the start. He was doing less work than everyone else and thought it was okay because he was the "leader." Sanjay was also the most logical of the leaders and voice of intelligence, but he was completely ignored. The leader's inability to lead from the start caused chaos and argument amongst the kids. This show follows the premise of Lord of the Flies where kids are stranded in the middle of nowhere with no adults. There are differences in the show which make it easier because people are preselected to lead and they are given all of the provisions that they need. Lord of the Flies takes a more realistic approach where their provisions are destroyed in a plane crash, so they have to resort to hunting and gathering techniques, unlike Kid Nation. In reality, there also aren't any preselected leaders and instructions on how to run society. In a real situation, this structure would have to be made up. In addition, there are no gold stars in reality. You do something commendable so that you don't all die. I think that the gold star is just planted to cause further conflict and drama in the show. I could go either way on letting my child do this. I wouldn't ask if they wanted to, but if my kid deliberately asked me to be in that show, I would put them in it. I would put them in unless they asked because lessons that can be learned from the experience are drowned by chaos, drama, and misery.
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Post by Owen Flatley on Apr 3, 2020 16:52:35 GMT
the biggest thing that stood out was in the beginning of the episode with the introduction of the leaders. some of the kids said that they did not think that they looked like good leaders and seamed reluctant to join them signifying a potential mutiny. like lord of the flies the town has a feeling of instability and craziness but unlike lord of the flies the kids are allowed to leave at any time. it also seams much more structured because of the more flexible rules and that ability to leave. I would put my kid in this situation because it would diffidently provide a different outlook and perspective on the world, and if it was to tough they could just leave. it displays only small chunks of reality. I would believe that some form of supervision from a adult would be necessary and I think a lot of the reactions where dramatized.
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Post by Sienna Johnson on Apr 3, 2020 17:58:50 GMT
When the kids originally arrived at Bonanza city, I was caught off guard when none of them knew how to cook. It was just surprising to see a group of kids who were never taught by their parents how to cook or to hep in the kitchen. While I was watching, I noticed that the kids weren´t really building a town up from the ground in an unorganized, unsupervised fashion, as the show depicted. The book telling them what to do was clearly not written by citizens in 1885. While there is a lot of independence and decision making included in the whole experience, the districts put in place beforehand and the ¨showdown¨ really take a lot of the reality out of it. Kid Nation differs from Lord of the Flies because it is created in a way that allows kids to bail and go home, they maintain the ability to contact their parents, and some adults are present such as the host and the cameramen. Furthermore, in Lord of the Flies, there is no guidance or rules of any kind. Kid Nation however, has a set of pre-exisiting procedures in order to keep the kids in a safe environment, and a lot of instruction and counseling is handed right in their direction, especially to the counsel members. If I was presented with an opportunity as such, I would allow my kids to participate in this experiment. While in doubt it would be a tough decision, I would get over myself and let them go, if of course they wanted to. I just firmly believe that this is an extraordinary opportunity for young kids to see that working jobs and living a life without rules can be a lot harder than it seems. I want my kids to be strong-willed and have the mindset that they can do anything, while being able to cook, clean, and learn teamwork. This experience would enlighten the kids, allowing them to build good habits and make ¨real world¨ decisions. With the knowledge that they have the ability to return home, I don´t see why not. As previously mentioned, this show does not show the full reality because of the prescribed rules and guidelines, also because of the existing camera crew and adults that are present to solve problems.
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Post by Teddy Sopkin on Apr 3, 2020 19:00:07 GMT
The age variety stands out to me the most. I find it surprising that they include 8-15 year olds. I would expect it to have older children because they're more mature. In lord of the flies, the island is more of a trap. You have to work hard to to get off the island, but here it feels like if you wanted to leave then you could just ask one of the cameramen and they would let you. If my child had the option to leave then I would let them join the show, only if they wanted to. If they didn't want to then I probably wouldn't care. I don't think I would make a good father because of that reason exactly, I would let my child whatever he or she wanted to do. If this show were to show reality, then it would be illegal because they're children and they don't have much choice for this, its up to the parents. If I had the option I would participate in this show because I want to see how it effects me and my peers around me. I also want to know how I would handle that type of situation.
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Post by Oscar Hackstaff on Apr 3, 2020 19:22:46 GMT
Some things that stood out to me were the kids and their jobs. The kids stood out to me because of their attitudes. The counsel was the worst part about it because the red team's captain acted like he knew everything and that he was always in the right. The older kids were trying to help at first, but when the red team's captain snapped at them, the older kids rebelled. When this happens it reminded me of lord of the flies because if the leaders and other people don't get along it creates anger and confusion. The kids jobs also stood out to me because the host had them do a competition to obtain their jobs, instead of using the kids skill sets. I think show would be better if the ages for the kids were 14-17. I would not put my child in this and I wouldn't even let my child watch it. The kids in the show think the world revolves around them especially the red team's captain. The children struggle with the basic and rational things and I don't remember 11 year olds being such crybabies. I died inside while watching this show and if my kid ends up like that, I will be very disappointed.
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Post by shea on Apr 3, 2020 20:32:09 GMT
Some of the things that stood out were the immediate distrust of the "council members". Also, the immediate hierarchy, the council members were not doing work, only taking it upon themselves to encourage the others rather than truly helping.
This show is similar to lord of the flies due to the idea of throwing a bunch of kids into an isolated environment and allowing them to fend for themselves.
I would absolutely allow my child to be placed in this environment. This sounds like a good learning opportunity.
This show seems to not really represent reality. it is common for reality to be completely fabricated in reality TV shows. There is a whole host of adults reaming the camp because they need a film crew and at least someone to be around if anything goes awry.
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Post by Adrianna Castillo on Apr 5, 2020 3:37:22 GMT
Somethings that stood out to me were how quickly the kids tried to start taking responsibility of specific things such as who cooked but also showed us who didn't want to work, hunger kind of forced the kids to get to work as well. The show would like to have the same concept as the Lord of the Flies book but to me was much too influenced by adults like how they were already provided with dry foods, shelters, and had books to tell them what to do. However there were some similarities such as how stronger and older kids wanted more control and how kids were very homesick especially the little kids who struggled to get food as well. I wouldn't mind to let my child go into this kind of environment if they wanted to because they might learn from it and become more mature as well. This show tries to show the reality of the situation but its not really authentic because adults are still around.
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Post by Magdalena McCormick on Apr 7, 2020 2:19:18 GMT
The first few things that stood out to me is the kids thought that they were going to die out there because there's nothing as well as no adults. When they first got there, competition had already stepped foot onto the grounds there was a want from the kids to be better than one another. That's almost exactly how Lord of the Flies goes. There was a lot of chaos in the first few days. There were fights against for the fittest. The young boy that stood up in about the middle of the video talking about looking at the bigger picture and that they all need to focus and work hard on each of their jobs. The biggest difference I see is that the kids don't have to stay; they can leave whenever they please, whereas the boys in Lord of the Flies are completely stuck and trapped on the island. The similarities is that its kids or teenagers by themselves, the younger kids have a disadvantage in both situations whereas the older kids are ahead.
I would not put my child in a situation like this, I think the end lesson they're attempting to teach the kids is how to live on their on and advocate for themselves but I think there is more options to teach kids to grow up and know how to push through hardships and have grit. Putting them in a place in the middle of nowhere by themselves is over the top in my view. The show seems realistic until you think about how they filmed it, did young children film it? It's very unreal and it doesn't benefit anything really they're trying to teach because they can leave whenever they feel they can't handle the responsibility or it's too uncomfortable for them. There's other ways to teach children those lessons.
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