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Post by Makenzie Simon on Apr 2, 2020 18:03:39 GMT
Some things that stood out to me in the show is how the kids were complaining a lot, it was the first day and some of the kids were already giving up. There wasn't a clear system, most of the times the kids were fighting and not listening to each other. The council was already decided and wasn't a cohesive decision by the kids and it isn't clear why those members of the council were decided for that job. This show is similar to LOTF because the kids have to lead without their parents, cook, etc. It is different because there is not a violent aspect. I would not allow my child to be placed in this environment because I personally believe there are other ways for them to learn these "lessons." You can still give them the experience of becoming more independent by guidance. I do not believe this show represents reality because there is a camera crew to assist the entire time and they still have the opportunity to give up by going home if they cant handle the hard times.
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Post by benjkoller on Apr 2, 2020 18:13:30 GMT
One thing that stood out to me is how absurd this really is. In the book, it sounds kind of normal because you only hear the description and if you don't think about it, they're just "adults". However, watching the show, you can *see* the little kids and they are, indeed, little kids. It makes it 100 times more absurd and makes you think about what is actually going on. There are several similarities but there're also some differences. One of the main ones being that they had wagons supplied to them with resources for 40 days. In the book, they were on the island and had to harvest and find their resources. Also, there is a counsel that takes the leadership role, as opposed to the solitary leader in the book. Similarities, however, will be things like their behaviours and things like that. In the book and in the show they all seem to be pretty excited about this and don't seem to care that they're all alone and might die. They all have a good work ethic and want to work together.
There is a chance I'd put my child in this environment (đź’€) if I think they're capable of handling themselves. Otherwise, no, I would not put my child into such an environment that is so dangerous (unless they're annoying me, of course). I think this shows some sort of reality but not really. They all have to work toward a common goal, but they all become discouraged at some point or another, whether its because they're hungry or if they're tired, or whatever.
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Post by Zoe Newman on Apr 2, 2020 18:40:59 GMT
Some things that really stood out to me are the way that the kids already had a leader step forward. They didn't have an election or game to decide who should lead. They just immediately had someone there to "rule" them. Some things that are different however are the authority figures in the town. The counselors are there, and are different from Lord of The Flies because they don't have a single adult there. This is very striking. I would absolutely not allow my child to enter into this kind of environment. It is truly toxic and harmful for a child's development and childhood. This could very well scar them and hurt them in the future. It shows some aspects of reality and some not. It shows the kids parts of the reality of how brutal and harsh the world can be. But it also is not lifelike in the way that they can go home whenever they want to. It shows only the most committed and dedicated can truly win, just like in life, but it has outs. Unlike the real world.
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Post by Rhylee Jensen on Apr 2, 2020 19:41:27 GMT
One thing that stood out to me was the council. Obviously the older kids are on the council, but I feel like they don't really respect the little kids, they way they should. This show is similar to Lord of the Flies because they're are only children in this desert town, whereas in Lord of the Flies, the kids are stuck on a deserted island. It is different, because the kids is Kid Nation have homes/structures already built for them, as well as adults behind the cameras. No, I would not let my child be placed in an environment like that because some of the older kids would probably not treat my younger child as well as they should. I also don't want my child to be scared. No, Kid Nation does not show reality. This is because the children are not actually alone, because there are adults running the cameras. This show just also doesn't seem realistic.
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Post by Cora Meenan on Apr 2, 2020 20:39:11 GMT
One thing that stood out to me regarding the show was how quickly some of the kids began to distrust the ones in leadership roles. Most of this was done by the older kids, which is somewhat understandable, but they stated to be hesitant before even seeing how they each made decisions and how suited to the role of leader they really were. In both LOTF and Kid Nation kids are put into a situation drastically different from their daily life and need to make complicated decisions completely on their own. However, unlike in LOTF the kids in Kid Nation are not placed in such a dire situation, they come somewhat prepared with backpacks and supplies and even have the option to leave if they get too uncomfortable.
I think that on a base level I would want my kids to experience something like this and have the opportunity to work through complicated situations, make leadership decisions and work together with other kids, however, the way it was handled just seems a little too dangerous. If it was in a bit more of a controlled situation or a majority of the kids were older, than I would be a lot more willing to participate. I believe this show does not entirely show reality due to how much was provided for the kids at the very beginning and the presence of camera crews. The situation feels more like reality tv than something real or authentic that would happen in the conditions that the show provides.
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Post by Marin McKinney on Apr 2, 2020 20:40:02 GMT
Some things that stood out to me in the show is how the student council is made up of kids younger than 15. I thought that the council would have kids at least a little bit older, so the town could be a little more organized. What also stood out to me was the emotions this experience brought out in the kids. It was harder for some of the younger kids to adapt because they were only 8 or 10.This show is similar to Lord of the Flies because the age range is the same and the kids are from different places. Another similarity is how classism was used immediately. Three minuets into the show, a town council was chosen and these kids automatically had more power over the rest of the kids, and it wasn't appreciated. Kid Nation is different from Lord of the Flies because unlike the book, because there are female characters and the children in the show can leave if they would like too, whereas in the book, there isn't a way to get home, hence the point of them being stranded their and them having to make their own society. I would let my child be placed into this environment, but not for the same amount of time, and It would have to depend on the age of my child. If my child was 14 or 15 I would allow them to go because once you turn 15 you are mature enough to drive a car, and if you can have that much responsibility at that age then you should be able to take care of yourself without any adults for a few days. Also, by the time you are 15 you should know how to cook and do a lot of the basic tasks that it takes to live in this type of society. Kid Nation does not show reality because their is a camera crew and a host that supervise the kids behind camera, and the kids can leave at anytime. There are aspects of the show that are realistic, like the fact that they have to feed themselves and fix the bunk rooms so that they have livable conditions.
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Post by Vanessa Antolakis on Apr 2, 2020 22:28:39 GMT
Some things that stood out to me the most in the first episode of Kid Nation is that the leaders of the town council had been previously chosen, so they could not be voted on and the rest of the kids had no choice but to listen to them. Additionally, a lot of the leaders were very young, which makes me question their leadership skills and wonder if they will be mature and responsible enough to control the other kids. I was also surprised by the willingness to do work that the kids had because I expected them to be a lot more emotional and scared of the fact that they were leaving their families and friends to go on this adventure, but they seemed to actually be very work-oriented and wanted to get the job done. This show is similar to Lord of the Flies in the way that they are all kids that are put in a deserted environment and they have to work together to function as a society. Also, they both have leaders and some form of democracy in order to get work done. Differences between the two are that in Lord of The Flies, the kids have to hunt and kill in order to survive, whereas in this show, the kids are on camera constantly, they are monitored by adults so that they can go home whenever they want, and the situation itself is much less dangerous. Personally, I would not put my child on this show because although they are put in a safe environment, it would still be scary and hard for them both physically and emotionally due to the labor they would do daily and the idea of spending time away from family for a lesson that would be hardly beneficial. This show does not show full reality because there are cameras recording everything, acting is definitely being done to make the show seem more dramatic, and the kids are allowed to go home whenever they want.
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Post by Gina Meyer on Apr 2, 2020 22:29:32 GMT
Some things that stood out to me were how the kids immediately tried to assign jobs and work together. However, they soon become hungry and tired which causes their little kid mindsets to show through. The older kids also tried to take over because they are more mature, but the town council does not want to give up their power even though they did not earn it. In addition, the minute money was put in the mix, chaos began to spread throughout the town.These things are similar to the society in Lord of The Flies because the boys immediately chose and assigned jobs and titles to try to keep order. Also, the younger boys became a generalized group that needed to be taken care of by the older boys.But unlike the book, kids could go home if they wanted to which relived some of the pressure to survive on their own. Furthermore, the kids in the show were provided with recipes and food that could be prepared, while the boys in the book had to hunt and gather their food with no proper instruction. I would not put my child in this situation because the intensity of the show could cause damage to their mental health even though they might be physically safe. This show does not show reality because there is adult supervision provided by the camera crews and certain supplies are provided which would not be the case if they were truly stranded.
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Post by Quinn Wilson on Apr 2, 2020 23:15:04 GMT
Some things that really stood out to me during this show was at the very beginning of the show all kids pitched in and were helping right away. I was not expecting that because there will always be those kids that don't want to do anything. Although shortly after that did seam to chance when kids started doing less work and not wanting to help out. I was also expecting it to be a little cleaner when they arrived. When they arrived they had a lot of chores to do like clean the houses and make the food and many other chores. This show is similar to lord of the Flies, for example there are no adults to makes decisions, no rules to guide the children. In addition it is also similar because there is a wide range of children, from ages 8-15 in both Lord of the Flies and Kid Nation. There are some differences between Kid Nation and Lord of the Flies, for example in kid nation, the kids can go home if they choose to, while in Lord of the Flies the kids are stuck on the island until they get rescued. Another difference between the two is in kid nation the are given their food and supplies which prevents violence, while in Lord of the Flies they have to get their own food and that means hunting, which causes their island to have violence and more tension.
I would not willingly put my child in this situations because the lessons that being here would teach you you could learn in other life situations. For example leadership can be learned in a school and not in some town run by all kids. In addition it puts my kid in an unrealistic position which could be very emotionally and physically damaging. Especially if my children were younger and less mature they shouldn't have to be put in this type of situation. This show really doesn't show reality at all. One reason that is doesn't show reality is because there is still the camera crew and the host of the show who were there they whole time just in case anything went wrong. In addition although the kids are doing the cooking and the cleaning and other household chores, there is more to reality then just basic jobs.
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Post by Chloe Heath on Apr 2, 2020 23:53:42 GMT
The first thing that stood out to me about the show was how the kids immediately questioned the council. Rather than leaders emerging naturally as in Lord of the Flies, a council was selected for them and the kids reacted negatively. Another thing that stood out to me was the reality show aspect. The scenes were scripted and dramatized. This show is similar to Lord of the Flies because the kids must work together to create civilization where there is none. This show is different than Lord of the Flies because the kids can go home anytime and there are adults there in case they need help.
I would not willingly allow my child to be placed into this environment because it is very stressful and intense. Even though this is a safe environment, I don't think it is a good choice for young kids. This show doesn't show reality because of the adults and camera crew. Also, there is food such as pasta, butter, and sugar which is not realistic if the kids truly were stranded. The kids are also not fighting for their survival and are instead fighting for gold stars.
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Post by Daniel Nguyen on Apr 3, 2020 3:10:07 GMT
Some of the things that stood out to me were the fact that they didn't kill the animals for food and instead used the resources already provided to them, the age group, and the kids chosen in the council. Some similarities that Kid Nation had to LOTF were that there was a mix of teenagers and kids, and they behaved very similar to each other like messing around and causing chaos without thinking of the results of their actions. Some differences were the presence of adulthood and the resources. In Kid Nation, there was the host that came by once in a while to give some instructions for the kids; in LOTF, there is absolutely no adults. Also, in Kid Nation, the kids were provided with resources to use for cooking and other essential tasks. While in LOTF, the kids were left with nothing and had to use their own skills to provide for themselves. I would only allow my child to be placed in this sort of environment if I knew more about the process and what they would be expected to go through, and if I really expected my child to actually persevere and enjoy the experience. This show does show reality in some aspects like disorder, divisions among groups, and etc.
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Post by Kylie Fish on Apr 3, 2020 4:15:57 GMT
Some of the things that really stood out to me regarding the show was the diversity of the children. There were kids of various ages that came from different places and had different backgrounds. Another thing that stood out to me was some of the members on the council and the sheer brutality of the region/situation. In the book Lord Of The Flies, there are no adults to help monitor anything that is going on, and as a result, chaos immediately overcomes the entirety of the boys on the island. They instinctually form different groups based on gender, skill, knowledge, personality, and looks while collectively forming what you could call an “upper class” and a “lower class” of people. These are the main similarities between this show and LOTF. Unlike LOTF, the children in the show were provided with an abundance of resources as well as instructions on how to go about living their daily life. In addition to this, the children on the show also have the option to give up and go home. If my child had severe behavioral issues and was not thankful for anything, I would willingly send them to be placed in this environment. I think that this would be good for a child to experience seeing as though the majority of children tend to either disregard or cease to see the importance of rules and norms in society. I think that in some ways, this show does depict reality, but you have to keep in mind that the producers of the show need to keep the viewers interested so it would only be necessary to dramatize the show a bit.
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Post by Maya Nelson on Apr 3, 2020 5:24:24 GMT
I don't believe that this is too much like LOTF. On the surface, yes, it's a bunch of kids building a society with no adult supervision, and different people with more authority than others. As the show progresses though, we see the many differences. The most notable is that these kids can leave at any time. They're surrounded by adults and aren't forced to stay there, this automatically gives them a sense of safety that the children in LOTF don't have. The show is a bit similar to the book because the young children were struggling more than the older kids because they didn't have the authority that the older kids did, therefore the struggled with things such as getting the food that they needed. People must also remember that this is a reality show. Even if the younger kids struggled to get food for the entire season, they would receive food off-camera. Reality shows are never treated as true depictions of reality, and the same is true for Kid Nation. No one would truly suffer on the show because that would be extremely illegal. The situations depicted in Lord of the Flies could never truly be replicated because the kids don't have the luxury of knowing whether or not they'll see their parents again, where their next meal will come from, and even if they'll survive long enough for someone to rescue them. Kid Nation is not a life or death situation, and the media shouldn't perceive it as such.
No, I would not let my kid go on this show because I don't see what they would gain from it. Kid Nation is entirely for the audience's viewing pleasure, it's not for kids to learn survival skills, it's not for them to learn how to work together, and it's definitely not going to teach them how to be leaders.
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Post by Maddie Van Haveren on Apr 3, 2020 6:07:35 GMT
Some things that stood out to me in this show were how motivated these kids were right off the bat. They were extremely goal-oriented and seemed to have goals in mind which may have been a result of the somewhat competitive nature of Kid Nation. The kids almost seem to be competing against each other to advance in this society, which I think is really interesting. This does, however, show a lot of similarities to LOTF. Everyone in LOTF has a job and they have to do that job to help the society function. Kid Nation and LOTF also bear a lot of other similarities, like a group of children being alone in an isolated place where they are expected to fend for themselves and survive. However, the severity of the situation in LOTF is much different from that in Kid Nation, where they aren't completely stranded and can call for help. Assuming that I liked my child, no I would not willingly place them in this environment. It seems unsafe for the kids and overall doesn't seem like a good idea. Considering that this show got canceled, I would think that complaints about the children's safety were very common. This show does bear some resemblance to real society, but it's not an accurate representation of what society is like. It shows the basic concepts and ideas of society, but it doesn't accurately represent how a real society is run and how a real society functions.
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Post by Shea Cranston on Apr 3, 2020 8:36:24 GMT
I was unable to watch the video due to restricted mode being enabled. I’m mot sure how to properly respond to the promts without the ability to see the episodes. I tried youtube searching but it was uneventful and came up with no results fit to format a full response. Is there any way to change the settings so that I might be able to see the video, Mr.Malloy?
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