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Post by Chloe Heath on Apr 5, 2020 21:24:14 GMT
C. The pig hunt in Chapter 7 is different than the pig hunt before. During this hunt, the boys approach a boar and Ralph hits the boar with a spear. The boar gets away but Ralph is so proud he reenacts the scene with Robert and the boys begin chanting "Kill the pig! Cut his throat!" (Golding 114). The reenactment almost goes too far when it looks as though they might kill Robert. This excitement and pride in Ralph shows he has a savage side to him.
A. The book would be very different if it was written about young girls. I think if the book revolved around young girls the girls would use their words more than physical power. The girls would drift into groups and hurt each other by gossiping. I think if they were girls they would be more civilized and less savage. The girls would give everyone a voice instead of picking leaders off of who is strongest. I think they would respect character personalities like Piggy and Simon more than the boys. I also believe the girls would be more caring and be more focused on getting rescued rather than hunting and eating meat.
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Post by Devon Garls on Apr 6, 2020 21:08:16 GMT
B.) The description of the ocean represents the object separating the boys and the rest of society. It is the barrier that divides them, the thing that they must pass through before they are able to reach salvation. Its infiniteness and vastness is a product of their hopelessness, their lack of determination and will to get back to the place that they once came from. They are completely lost, the ocean acting, symbolically, as the enemy that must be overcome before they are able to return to their normal lives. Golding describes it as beautiful yet dangerous, splitting the horizon with its massive body. It's symbolic of their lack of wanting to get back to society.
A.) If the plane had been filled with just girls, then many parts of the story would be different, the entire novel would be completely changed. Women have a very different brain structure than men, especially when they are going through puberty such as the boys in the book. The women would be less physically active in the sense of fighting. Instead of using their fists to gain power, women would use their words against each other to gain an upper hand. Women would be much less willing to use physical violence in many cases. Women would most likely want to kill the pig for meat, but not as early as the boys would. However, the society of girls would also have a large advantage to boys, with women most likely using more logic to figure out the answer to problems. Boys are driven by their lust and their own specific wants, whereas women would try more to do things for the whole of the group.
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Post by benjkoller on Apr 6, 2020 21:09:07 GMT
(B) The Ocean at the beginning of the chapter is used to symbolise and reinforce the idea of isolation. The boys are trapped on an island far away from another land, such as an Ocean in real life. They are far from civilisation. The boys diminishing hope of rescue adds to the idea of isolation because nobody knows they are there and nobody will rescue them. (A) I feel that if the lost children were girls instead of boys everything would be more dramatic and they would descend into chaos sooner. The boys formed a supergroup pretty quickly where I feel as if they were girls, there would several groups as opposed to just one. Furthermore, I feel women can be more destructive in their use of words, so an example in the book would be body shaming. Taking Ralph and his would-be female counterpart into consideration, the boys and girls would have different views. The boys would be more accepting of being overweight and wouldn't give him a hard time where I think girls would give the overweight one a lot more trouble about it.
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Post by emeli rubel on Apr 6, 2020 21:44:54 GMT
b) The ocean in the begining of the novel represents the barrier and wall to the rest of the world. The boys look and see the ocean as if it were a way out but a way that couldn't be climbed. As the book carries on, the ocean starts to drivde the boys crazy and they see it as they are in the middle of a black hole. Looking at the sea makes the boys think there is no hope and no way off the island.
a)If the island was made up of all girls, they wouldn't have the rivalry against eachother which would lead to getting more things done. They would be more organized and actually have a chance to survuve. As shown in Kid Nation, the girl who took over as cook on the first day really helped them succed and have food to eat that night. They would have everything under control.
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Post by Shea Cranston on Apr 7, 2020 18:24:53 GMT
B) The ocean could symbolize their disconnection from society. That impenetrable wall that not only block them from society, but also society from them. They are no longer being influenced by anyone other than themselves. The chaos that will ensue from that is large and will be shown throughout the rest of the book.
A) The events of the novel might be different if the cast were all female, but it also might not. In my experience, pushed to their limits, females can be just as fierce and combative as males can be. Maybe not to the same degree but to a similar one. The novel might progress faster due to more cooperation, but it is equally as likely that cliques would form and go against each other in every way to the point at which it is no longer as if there was one group of people stranded, but three separate ones.
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Post by Molly St. George on Apr 7, 2020 20:25:29 GMT
a) At the beginning of chapter seven, Ralph sees the other boys as dirty, deprived of civilization, and almost animalistic. Ralph is surprised by and uncomfortable by his own uncleanliness. Simon attempts to console Ralph later by telling him that he will get home. Throughout the book, Simon has been characterized as a quiet person who has the largest capacity for compassion seen so far. He is kind to the littuns, has an appreciation for the natural beauty of the island, and he seems to enjoy being by himself but still seeks the approval of the other boys. He is thought of as odd by the other boys. His comments to Ralph may be foreshadowing that either the boys will never get off the island or that only Ralph will survive.
If it were a group of girls instead of boys, the events that transpire wouldn't be very different. Based upon a number of studies, it has been found that when a female is in what is considered an "alpha" role, she will take on alpha instincts. Alpha roles are, in a patriarchal society, what we traditionally associate with a male's role (hunting, protecting, etc). The predictions made in the last class, at their core, are no different than what has transpired in the novel, though they were phrased differently due to our own internalized biases. The boys on the island have separated into groups or cliques. The mental and emotional warfare mentioned in class is seen in the power struggle between Ralph and Jack, specifically in Jack's attempts to sway the boys to his side and turn them against Ralph. Furthermore, definite predictions of survival cannot be made solely based on sex. The personality types and backgrounds of all of the children involved are also at play. Depending on their ability to collaborate and their skills, some individuals and groups are more likely to survive than others. In addition, the key to survival as a group is just that: a group. Family, by blood or otherwise, has been identified as the key to human survival. Regardless of whether it was a group of males or females, those involved will have to deal with both the advantages and disadvantages of trying to survive as a member of a group of humans. So, overall, the differences between a group of girls and a group of boys would not be significant or clearly identified without more specific information about the people involved.
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Post by Andrew Weiland on Apr 8, 2020 2:24:51 GMT
B) The ocean at the beginning of this chapter symbolizes the barrier to the rest of the world. This takes away a lot of the hope that the boys had of going home. It is at one point described as an "impenetrable wall".
A) If all of the characters in the book were girls, I think it would be very different. First, I feel like the girls would try to attack each others emotions rather than physically because I feel they do that more than boys. I think there would be significantly more drama for the girls than there is for the boys. I also believe that there will be less work done because of the drama and because woman are more historically the ones at home, while the men are the ones outside doing things like hunting.
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Post by Mira Metter on Apr 8, 2020 5:02:04 GMT
b) The ocean in the beginning of the chapter symbolizes that the boys feel hopelessly trapped on the island. Ralph feels that the ocean is like an impenetrable wall preventing the boys from leaving the island. It shows that the boys are beginning to lose hope of ever escaping the island. The ocean is physically and metaphorically isolating the boys from the rest of the world. a) The young women, unlike the boys, would most likely not get into physical altercations. The main priority of the girls would be to create a sustainable lifestyle, reliable source of food and shelter, that they could make due wit until they found a way to get off the island. Unlike the young men, they would probably have more organization and rules and less savagery and be more caring towards the younger children in the group, making sure that they got enough food and weren't pushed around by the older girls.
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Post by Daniel Nguyen on Apr 8, 2020 5:15:59 GMT
b.) The ocean represents the physical barrier between the kids and society. They are isolated on an island and do not know their location. They don't know if society is one mile away or a thousand miles away. the ocean is the unknown and the kids don't know if they will ever get rescued. a.) I think that if the book were to have all young girls, they would struggle in different ways but succeed in others. They would struggle in things such as something that requires mainly brute strength but might succeed in doing things that require national thought like building a signal to find rescue. I think this because women don't immediately resort to violence and don't biologically have the same physical strength as males.
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Post by Maddie Van Haveren on Apr 8, 2020 14:26:44 GMT
C) The pig hunt in Chapter 7 is different than the other pig hunts because, for the first time, Ralph joins them on the hunt. Before this chapter, Ralph didn't understand what hunting the pigs was like and couldn't have grasped why the other boys enjoyed it so much, but he's starting to enjoy some of the more savage activities on the island.
A) Although there might be some differences between an island with boys and an island with girls, I think a lot of the basic ideas would be the same. Both girls and boys have the same survival instincts. However, there would be some differences between the two islands. I think that the girls would have thought more before making a plan of how to tackle surviving on the island. The boys didn't think it through all that well, and its entirely possible that the outcome of what's happening on the island would be much better if everyone had more defined roles and a better idea of what they needed to do. Although its also entirely possible that the girls could have rushed into it, but I think that they would have a better sense of team when it came to working as a group.
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Post by Kierra Brown on Apr 10, 2020 6:33:21 GMT
b.) In chapter seven the ocean seems to symbolize a wall or barrier between the boys and escaping the island. As the waves from the ocean come and go time passes by. With all the sides of the land surrounded with water the boys have no way of leaving the island. Ralph refers to the ocean as an "impenetrable wall" which shows that Ralph feels that the Ocean is the barrier from the boys to the outside world. This also has Ralph feeling helpless, knowing that with the "wall" there this is a low chance of him and the boys of ever leaving the island.
a.) I feel that if there was only girls on the island rather then boys there would be a sudden change. I feel there would be a lot more diverse groups, they would most likely distance themselves from each other and survive on their own. This will most likely become a problem when the supplies gets low. The groups would probably start to fight each other.
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Post by magda mccormick on Apr 12, 2020 7:36:42 GMT
a) in the beginning of the chapter we see Ralph is disappointed and frustrated with the boys around him.They have become too dirty,competitive, and dishonest, as well as nearly lost all attention to disciplined. They try to adjust to their situation. Simon steps in to console Ralph, although this may be comforting at first he still ends up feelings lonely and helpless. I think that feeling is what the ocean represents in their time.
I think if it were girls the situation would be much different, girls are most of the time much more organized and sometimes even thoughtful. I think there would be a clear role as to who does what. The emotional side I think it would be more balanced and there would be a healthier stronger relationship between everyone.
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Post by Joey Allen on Apr 16, 2020 12:43:00 GMT
a.) After feeling as though the boys have become even more inhumane, Ralph needs time alone to help gather his thoughts and to think. with the constant power struggle between him and Jack and also being a leader, it's taking a toll on him. So when Simon shows up, immediately he goes to console him, trying to help him gain the strength to fight back and to be the leader he needs to be. this action by Simon reveals that he cares for Ralph in this scenario, leading me to believe that he cares for people in need of help. this could lead to something important for us as a reader to know, but not the rest of the characters in the book. a.) If girls were the ones on the island instead of the boys, the entire plot would be completely altered. though some tensions would rise between them like so the boys, I feel their objective would be different. Where the boys go hunting for the beast, I feel they would focus more on leaving the island than anything else. I feel that the way they want to leave though will split the group apart. I'd say one would try to construct a boat with enough space of only that group to leave, and the other mostly focusing on signaling passing ships or planes. less gore would be prominent and I feel as though most of the girls would be more proper than the boys, leading them to keep sanity longer and food equal.
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Post by Isaiah Robles on May 3, 2020 18:21:01 GMT
B. The symbolic nature of the ocean is a symbol that tells Ralph that he is a long way from being rescued and that he is now stuck in this new world of survival. The text describes the ocean as a "divider, the barrier," implying that they have no way to get back to civilization. A. Things would drastically change if the group where all girls instead of males for many different reasons. One reason is that instead of choosing a leader of the group right away i'm sure that girls would instead try to find a way off the island immediately instead of staying on the island. They would also work together to find fruit and vegetables an even grow their own since females are more friendly towards animals so they wont have to kill any animals in the process. They would probably either get off the island quicker and not kill anything in the process.
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