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Post by Madden on Apr 3, 2020 16:42:57 GMT
B) At the begging of the chapter, the symbolism of the ocean was the "divider, the barrier...". The boys could not get off of the island because of the ocean (barrier), and as Ralph was alone in the beginning staring at the endless ocean began to loose some hope. A) The events of the book would be drastically different in some aspects and incredibly similar in others if it was a group of girls rather than a group of boys depending. It would be the same in the way of making a fire to get other boats attention, making huts for shelter, and hunting for food. It would be different because everything would be done efficiently. The fire would have been kept up the huts would have more than 2 people working on it, and hunting would only happen if necessary. Although, this all depends on what kind of attitude the girls on the island have to leave.
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Post by Shaye Ridley on Apr 3, 2020 16:57:11 GMT
The pig hunts' throughout Lord of the Flies have a good way of showing how the main characters change throughout the book. The first pig hunt shown early in the book has a lot of jokes around it and it's mostly a competition to see who can get the first pig. The pigs are pretty much all Jack sees. Jack also treats this first pig hunt like it will prove his leadership to the other boys because he brags more than any other character in the book. The pig hunt seen in chapter 7 is very different than the first pig hunt. In chapter 7, there is a certain fear that lingers, seen in Jack specifically and a completely different feeling to the pig hunt. The boys also show a side of savagery that hasn't been shown before. They pretend to attack the other boys instead of a pig and want one of the boys to play "pig." This new side of savagery shows that the boys' fears are growing and their survival instincts are really starting to sink in. It also could show a lot of foreshadowing for events that could happen later in the book.
If the character in the book were all girls I don't this you could classify that it would be better or worse, but I do think it would be very different. If the characters were all girls, I think the violence shown in the book wouldn't be as physical, it would be more mental. Overall, I think there are some things that would work better and some things that would work worse. There would probably be a more organized leadership/set of rules and I think girls would be more responsible in helping get things done. I think there would be more organized groups that did different tasks and actually did them. I don't think there would be any girls that had a huge ego either. Some things I think would be worse is the drama and competition between different groups of girls. I don't think the girls would get along as well, but I don't think they would become savage as the boys will. Overall, the girls would probably get along less well, but there would be a better chance of survival.
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Post by Kylie Fish on Apr 3, 2020 16:57:48 GMT
b.)The symbolic nature of the ocean represents a barrier preventing the boys from ever escaping the island. The ocean makes it feel as though the barrier is inescapable, and as a result, they are left with no hope of getting the chance to later return home. a.)I think that if there was a big group of school girls instead of boys, the events of the novel would be significantly different. I think that rather than being physically violent with each other, the girls would be more verbally abusive and form individual groups of their own. This would prevent them from being collectively productive. I also think that instead of spending the majority of their time hunting and trying to find "the beast", they would spend their time making more forts, finding fruit, etc.
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Post by Maya Laws on Apr 3, 2020 17:07:30 GMT
1b. In this part of the book, the ocean is a symbol of the boys desperation and loss of hope. The author makes the ocean sound kind of dark and depressing because he describes it as cold, deep, and large. He kind of implies that it is never ending, powerful, and rocky. This shows that they are starting to lose hope because they don't think they are ever going to get rescued because they are saying the ocean is really big and dangerous.
2a. I think if the people stuck on this island were all girls, there would definately be way less violence. I think there would still be conflict it just wouldn't be as physical because girls use there words to fight more. I also think they might work together better than the boys.
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Post by jack on Apr 3, 2020 17:07:36 GMT
b) The ocean represents an impenetrable defense. A mighty wall that prevents the boys from ever returning home. It makes a sense of dread, as Ralph gets a sense of hopelessness.
a) Due to the time n which the story takes place. I think that things would be much worse if it was a plane of girls that crashed. Due to the whole deal involving the oppression, women get much less experience with survival situations like this, especially at a younger age. However, it is likely that the girls would probably be more likely to organize and band together than the boys. They would not be as fast as to resort to violence, and would not prioritize things like hunting. Despite this, I believe that their lack of experience would be their downfall. Without the knowledge as to how to build a shelter or fend for themselves in the wildlife, they would perish faster than the boys would in this time period.
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Post by Axel Ortiz on Apr 3, 2020 17:08:03 GMT
B. The ocean could symbolize that the kids really donĀ“t have a chance out in the wild and that the boys are going to completely lose it.
If it was just girls I think there would be better control but at the same time they would be using their words to hurt each other and bringing them down. At the same time they would look out for the ones that they really care about.
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Post by Campbell Preston on Apr 3, 2020 17:18:23 GMT
a) At the beginning of this chapter, Ralph is feeling disappointed and upset at the mess that the boys have become. They are dirty and disheveled, a far cry from the prep school boys they were when they landed, and straying father by the day. Ralph was looking out over the ocean, feeling hopeless and lost, when Simon shows up to console him. Simon gives faith to Ralph in the form on unwavering belief that they will get off the island. Simon's quiet belief makes Ralph feel a little better, but not enough to agree with him. This shows that Simon is kind and levelheaded, but hopeful, one of the few boys who have not yet lost all hope of getting off the island. Simon's friendship and peaceful nature towards Ralph could be foreshadowing a near disaster for the island, or else a tragic event specifically for Simon. a) I believe that if the island were run by girls instead of the boys, more emphasis would be put on keeping the fire going and caring for the younger kids. The priorities would be more those of getting off the island and taking care of each other, instead of making a new home on the island. I think that the meetings would be super chaotic because at least for the girls I know, there is a strong tendency to yell and talk over each other. There would be more power struggles and possible more of the girls would be unwilling to accept one chosen leader. They would probably be more inclined to set up a council, like on kid nation. However this council would be of some of the oldest girls, ideally elected because of their skills. This could, however turn into a popularity concept causing the group to split into multiple "tribes" spread around the island. Throughout all of this, I think that the girls would be more inclined to console the little kids and help them with their chores and nightmares.
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Post by Makenzie Simon on Apr 3, 2020 17:20:21 GMT
B. The ocean at the beginning of the chapter symbolizes the enclosure they are living in and the feeling of losing hope. It is recognized as the "impenetrable wall," a feeling of never leaving and being "cut off" from the rest of humanity.
A. If the island were full of girls rather than guys the society would be more in order. There would be a set schedule, assigned jobs, etc. Conflict wise, the girls would partake in mentally abusive situations whereas boys tend to show the physical aspect. I personally feel the girls would complain more about an inconvenience. Many of the girls would complain about it being "dirty" or gross since we tend to focus on how we look to others. Finally, I feel there would be obvious cliques and jealously in the midst of the situation.
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Post by Vanessa Antolakis on Apr 3, 2020 17:32:00 GMT
B) At the beginning of chapter 7 of Lord of The Flies, the ocean symbolizes the lack of hope that the boys have for getting off the island. The ocean is best described as a barrier that separates the boys from the rest of the world and they seem to believe that it will stay that way for a long time. The boys start to feel lonely, hopeless and believe that they will never be rescued. If the novel was about a group of girls stranded on an island rather than boys, the events would be very different. For example, the girls would most likely be more focused on looking toward the future, like when and how they can be rescued. They would focus more on sending out signals and searching for ways to get off of the island. However, the boys are living in the present, and they focus on what they will eat each day that they go hunting or what they will use to build a shelter. The boys also have a much more violent nature, as they find it exhilarating to hunt, whereas girls would probably be scared to chase and hunt a wild animal. Lastly, the way that the society is divided would be different because girls would want to break up into smaller groups and act more "cliquish", so it might be harder to find a leader in the society, but the boys did not have a very difficult time choosing a leader and they chose to stick together as a group for the most part.
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Post by Nicholas on Apr 3, 2020 17:32:51 GMT
The Ocean represents isolation from the island they are on and the outside world. Ralph says it is a impenetrable wall which is blocking all hopes for them to make it back. This leads to Ralph feeling helplessness and loneliness, although Simon does try to comfort him.
The book would be different if all the characters were girls, but I feel like the girls would be more organized. The girls would probably want to have more rules than the boys have. Also, I believe the girls would not fight for the power of being leader and let the vote decide who is the leader and everyone will follow their rules.
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Post by Dreu Charles on Apr 3, 2020 17:37:08 GMT
b) The ocean in the beginning of this chapter symbolizes a barrier in which something must act upon if the boys have any hope of returning home. Some may say the roughness and the conflict between each waves as they crash together, as described by the author, could parallel the dynamic between the boys as all of them fight for some type of power over the group. a) I think that if it were to be girls instead of boys stranded upon the island the conflict for power would be obsolete as I do not believe that is an issue that would be prioritized by girls. Given the time in which the book takes place I believe girls would have to make lots more sacrifices when it comes to way of life and how they have to live now, but after they get over that hump I believe their "island society" could be very organized and well functioning as long as they continue to make the necessary sacrifices even if they may jeopardize the femininity.
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Post by Navin F. on Apr 3, 2020 17:38:13 GMT
1c) The boys are desperate for meat to gain some nutrition in their diet. They find a boar in the forest and go after it. Previously, in the early chapters of the book, Jack finds and pins down a pig, however, he is unable to kill the pig due to the inherent human nature that he retained which didn't allow him to take life. Now when some hunters and Ralph find this boar it is evident that any human nature that they once had has diminished. The boys gained something of a savage nature where they relentlessly attacked the pig as if the only thing they wanted to do was brutally take its life and eat it. 2) I think that a female version of Lord of the Flies would make the book much more peaceful. The point of Lord of the Flies is to show masculine toxicity when left unchecked. The book begins by the boys establishing order which soon descends into a downward spiral of fighting and chaos. I believe that females are smarter and more logical than males when it comes to situations like this. I think that these qualities would allow females to establish order without all of the fightings and resolve conflict in a smarter way. If fights should occur, they may happen through words, making a mental as opposed to the physical battle. Feminine personality is also not as as savage to do something like kill and animal. This may also resolve the power struggle. The female ability to think the problem through and be smart about what they do would allow the series of events in the novel to run smoothly without nearly as much disarray. Out of curiosity, I looked up a female Lord of the Flies, and it seems that there was a gender-flipped Lord of the Flies movie in development. It got canceled though before its release due to backlash and disapproval from the media. I was able to find some excerpts from the script though that are interesting on the link below. www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/excerpts-from-the-all-girl-remake-of-lord-of-the-flies
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Post by Wyatt Waldyke on Apr 3, 2020 17:43:55 GMT
c.) The pig hunt in this chapter was successful and they got the pig but this time Ralph did come along and he decided to partake in the hunt this time, but when they got back to the camp the blood-lust was much stronger and there were more people involved but this time they decided that they would recreate the hunt later on when they were back at "camp" and they decided that while acting the hunt out they used one of the littluns too represent the pig witch they almost got to the point of killing the child when they realized that that is too far. a.)I think that there would be more desire to make a camp that was more hospitable and they would ave a more centralized base of operations but I think that after several days of being with each other there would be some fits that start to breakout and there would be mre problems with dealing with each other as a whole. But I do think that there system of managment would begin at a higher point and they would stay organized longer.
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Post by Marin McKinney on Apr 3, 2020 17:49:57 GMT
B) The symbolic nature of the ocean represents a wall blocking all hope that the boys will get rescued or will leave the island. The ocean appears to stay the same throughout the book meaning that the boys are getting no where in their journey to come up with an escape plan. Simon had to lift up Ralph's spirits by telling him that they will make it off the island they just have to work together.
I think that if it was a group of young girls trapped on the island their would be much more drama, which in the end would make everything worse. Major problems would arise when events such as choosing a leader, exploring new land, and finding food occur. Since adolescent girls have large egos and many emotions the society on the island would turn into a bad reality tv show which would result in many tears. Even though their would be more organization and order, which would help them plan to get off the island faster, the mental stability of the girls would be holding them back. Also the amount of hunting would lesson because stereo typically girls do not like to preform the tasks of men, which would include killing animals.
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Post by Quinn Wilson on Apr 3, 2020 17:55:07 GMT
B) The symbolic nature of the ocean represents the loss of hope in the boys. They are out in the middle of no where on a island with the big ocean as a barrier preventing them from being able to be rescued. In addition it represents how Ralph is thinking that they will never get rescued because they can only see water for miles. Ralph's fear is never being rescued and the ocean is acting like the barrier preventing them from going home back to their home life.
A)The story would be very different if the island was all girls instead of all boys. On a island with all girls there would probably be more order because they girls would want to get off the island. I don't think though that the girls would be hunting the pigs on the island and instead they would just eat the food the island provides. With all girls there would be a lot less violence then with with all the guy but I think with girls it would be more emotional and mentally different. For example the girls would still fight but it wouldn't lead to violence it would just be a verbal fight. In addition I think the girls would lead more as a group instead of having one leader, it would be more organized and all the girls would be able to speak unlike with the boys.
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