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Post by Nicholas on Apr 8, 2020 17:03:01 GMT
Simon is similar to the Christ because he helps the other boys by comforting them. He also is not all about himself unlike some of the others. They both also die in similar ways because they both die by their own people. The text states, "You'll get back alright." (Golding 111). This shows how Simon knew he would not make it back alive off the island. The author made it so Simon is a good person, but he is going to get killed for it, which is also how the Christ died in the video.
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Post by Jack Rueschhoff on Apr 8, 2020 17:16:21 GMT
In the book, Simon represents the Christ figure in a few ways. One is that both he and Christ were bearers of good news, as Christ brings the word of the Messiah, and Simon brings the news that what they thought was the beast was a dead parachutist. They were also killed by their own people, specifically for bringing their good news. Simon is also incredibly empathetic to others, and refuses to resort to violence, just like Christ. Simon also met the Lord of the Flies in the forest, just as Christ met Satan. He told Simon that he was in every human, solidifying him as Satan. Simon foreshadows his own death while talking to Ralph, when he says, "You'll get back where you came from." However, he does not say that he will make it back, meaning he has come to terms with the idea of death and has no issue with it, similar to Christ. Even though the beast tells Simon that if he tells the boys, they will kill him, he goes on anyways, just as Christ did. It is through Simon that Golding shows the cruelty of humanity and that there will always be a light, but darkness to smother it as well. As the boys are so closed-minded and afraid of what Simon has to say, be it kindness or not, they default their reaction to violence and murder.
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Post by Teddy Sopkin on Apr 8, 2020 17:57:42 GMT
Simon is like the christ of the group because he is very similar to christ. He is one of the only ones who tell the truth. He also has more empathy then all of the other kids. He understands that people make mistakes and he tries to comfort people instead of ridicule people when they do something wrong, like when he talks to Ralph and assures him that he will get home. The possible foreshadowing of this is the name Simon because it's a religious name.
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Post by Maya Laws on Apr 8, 2020 18:29:20 GMT
Simon is similar to the Christ figure because he remains hopeful and often takes care of the boys and comforts them. They are both very kind, caring, and sensible and they also both get killed by the other people. Simon's death is foreshadowed in LOTH when Golding writes "You'll get back to where you came from...You'll get back alright. I think so anyways", (111). This foreshadows his death because he is trying to convince them that they will be fine and make it back home. When people talk about things like that in books, That usually means that things will not go as planned. Through the character of Simon, Golding is showing that humanity is mostly good, there are just some people who are evil which makes humanity a little less good.
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Post by Wyatt Waldyke on Apr 8, 2020 18:50:29 GMT
Simon we see is the Christ figure of the book by how he tries to bring some peace to the groups of people however they do not believe what he says and they end up killing him in a inhumane way and everything he does was to try to make the living circumstances much better for all yet he is still killed for this. In the book previously they have spoken about how the hunt means everything to them and before when the killed the first hog they had a very similar dance in witch they almost killed a littlun this was foreshadowing to this event, while they killed Simon they couldn't realize that it was him because they were so bloodthirsty and the same almost happened before to the littllun. As time went on there thirst for blood and pigs only grew so it was expected that this time they would not be able to stop themselves from killing Simon. Golding shows that he thinks that there will always be some good in life even if we are in the worst circumstances, however he also thinks that much of this good can be taken over by evil, he also thinks that this all is done through humanities circumstances people will try to strive in there own world that they will be able to look and see the way that they want to see and no other.
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Post by Mateo Piza on Apr 8, 2020 19:41:21 GMT
Simon is the Crist figure in the sense that he is chosen by A "lord" in this case the lord of the flies to most likely taint the minds of the others. This is obviously stated when we get the line, "We're gonna have fun on this island." He shall spread the word on the lord, no not god THE LORD OF THE FLIES. Another citation foreshadowing the coming CHAOS is, "You knew, didn't you? I'm part of you." (the lord of the flies 164) these haunting words assure us of the destruction to come
William Golding seems to be drawing parallels from evil to religion. The parallels aren't had to find but in this book, they draw them with and a lord who has power but chooses to manipulate through people. Sounds similar to a god who if he really exited could theoretically save the planet but just doesn't. This evil could just be a figment of Simon's imagination, he's stuck on an island and has seen some traumatizing stuff. But regardless it fuels him to destroy.
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Post by Shea Cranston on Apr 8, 2020 19:46:33 GMT
Is Simon the Christ figure of the novel? He may be due to the fact that he seems to have a better moral compass and understand the emotions of the others better than anyone else. He is also the first to realize that the beast is not one of materiel, but of thought and mind. The beast that drives Jack to be such a savage character. I'm not sure that I would go so far as to say that Simon is the Christ figure of the book, but he definitely exists on a separate moral plain than the other boys. Most of the evidence is from chapters 8 and 9. Specifically his interactions with the Lord of Flies and the search for the beast. His death seemed to be a symbol of the loss of morality for the boys. Golding is saying that good and evil show at different values in different people. He also seems to be saying that humanity is easily susceptible to fall to the whims of evil. Through the character of Simon, Golding establishes the capability for good in the boys, and through Jack he shows the ability for evil in the boys.
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Post by Oscar Hackstaff on Apr 8, 2020 20:11:03 GMT
Simon represents Jesus in The Lord of The Flies because he is caring and was killed. Simon is caring because he consoles Ralph and reassures him about being rescued and Simon said, "All the same. You'll get back all right." While Simon is talking he doesn't say anything about him being saved, which foreshadows that Simon might die. This part in the book relates to Jesus at the last supper because Jesus said one of you will betray me because it foreshadows Jesus dying.
Golding show good, evil, and humanity through Simon by trying find out what the beast is good, Simon being killed as evil, and Simon caring for the other kids show humanity. Simon finding out what the beast was is good because it shows how he is brave and willing to find the truth. Simon being killed is evil because it shows how cruel and mean people can be. Simon show humanity by caring for others and making them feel better.
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Post by Shaye Ridley on Apr 8, 2020 20:23:01 GMT
Simon is the Christ figure in the novel because he is the one that is basically a friend to everyone and doesn't take sides. In the novel, he comforts the boys and figures out things without a huge ego. When Simon talks to the Lord of the Flies, it's almost a heavenly figure guiding him or giving him information. He also dies at the hands of his companions, similar to Christ. The major foreshadowing of Simon's death is on page 125 when Simon comforts Ralph by saying "You'll get back to where you came from." Because Simon says 'you'll' instead of 'we'll' foreshadows that Simon may not be coming off the island alive. William Golding is splitting up groups of good, evil and humanity. Jack and his group are showing the evil side of humanity, while Ralph and Piggy are showing both sides. Simon almost has both good and evil but chooses which to act on no matter what the rest of the boys are doing. In turn for being good, Simon gets killed. This could be William Golding making a statement about human cruelty towards one another.
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Post by Vanessa Antolakis on Apr 8, 2020 20:37:47 GMT
Simon is the Christ figure in Lord of the Flies in many ways. Several times in the novel, he comforts the boys, especially Ralph. When the boys began to lose hope, he told them that they would find a way off of the island and that they would all survive. This thoughtful action made the boys feel a lot safer and brought back some of their hope. Additionally, Simon is a kind and understanding person, and would be willing to sacrifice himself for any of the boys, just like the Christ. Evidence from the text that foreshadowed this was at the end of chapter 8 when Simon believed that he was talking to a pig, which symbolized him talking to god. "'Fancy thinking the beast was something that you could hunt and kill!' said the head. For a moment or two the forest and all the other dimly appreciated places echoed with a parody of laughter. 'You knew, didn't you? I'm part of you?'" (Golding 143). This quote foreshadows that something bad is going to happen to Simon, possibly death, as he has a spirit talking to him in the form of a dead pig, telling him about a beast within him. William Golding is saying that the evil the boys are facing does not come in the form of a beast that they can hunt and kill, the evil lies within each one of them. Their willingness to kill and be savages is the true beast that they must face every day. I also think that Golding refers to good as being a sign of weakness because Simon is a very kind character, and something bad happens to him, which could represent that surviving on this island means being selfish, hunting and killing, and if Simon can't do that, he is weak and he will die.
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Post by Axel Ortiz on Apr 8, 2020 21:48:21 GMT
In the lord of the flies Simon is the christ figure in this book he helps the other boys to making them feel better sorta like a guidance counselor but in their case more of not to feel home sick on an island, but he did not care for himself he but others in front of him rather than caring about himself. In the book it is also foreshadowed that simon will be killed by the boys that were also on the island with him. Very similar to Christ and in how he was killed by the people who he thought he could trust since he did so much for them. The text clearly states that simon says "You'll get back alright." (Golding 111) This shows that Simon knew his fate that he would not make it off the island. It always happens to be the nice characters mostly because they are always easy to kill but his character is very rightful but just like christ he will be killed for doing the right thing just like the video.
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Post by Kierra Brown on Apr 9, 2020 6:18:10 GMT
In the novel Lord of the Flies, Simon represents the Christ figure. Throughout the Novel Simon talks to Ralph and the other boys on the island when they begin to lose hope. He tells them that they'll eventually leave the island and survive. The boys believe in Simon's words,bringing them hope. Many people use the Christ to give hope on the nearly impossible. Simon is a character in this novel that would sacrifice for the boys just like the Christ. Simon's death is foreshadowed in chapter seven when Simon says "All the same. You'll get back all right. I think so, anyway." (Golding 111). Golding repeats this quote several times. He is showing the reader that Simon will not survive on the island and Simon will return home in spirit form. Simon may die as sacrifice for the other boys.
Golding shows through his characters that humanity as a whole has the ability to be both good and bad. Golding shows the good through Simon. Simon has the ability to bring hope and joy to the group of boys. Simon gives them a reason to try and survive on the island. Jack on the other hand is the character Golding shows bad through. Jack brings all the bad things such as violence, which is sometimes also needed for survival.
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Post by Maegan Wesley on Apr 9, 2020 14:56:58 GMT
Simon is the symbol of Christ in the novel. This is shown through his compassion towards others. He is continually the voice of reason and someone who can calm the boys. Additionally, he has a connection with nature that is not seen within any of the other boys; he sees the nature around him as a beautiful thing and doesn't seem to be inclined toward either the side of civilization or savagery and naturalism. Simon is a character of both society and nature in a book that seems to separate the others into one or the other. His death is parallel to that of Jesus Christ because they both were killed by others for trying to warn them of something. This death is foreshadowed when he says "...You'll get back alright." (Golding 111.) because he never specifies that they will all "get back alright" it is spoken to Ralph and nobody else. Golding uses all of the boys as different places on the "spectrum" of good and evil. Jack and his crew of hunter have been completely taken over by savagery and evil, which is seen in their cruel and violent attack on the sow and the placing of the head on the stake. While Simon has been won by good, not necessarily civilization or society, which is shown by him refusing to take the others word as truth and going to look at the "beast" himself and seeing that it is no real threat. Piggy and Ralph are seen to be in the midst of that battle of good and evil by trying to stay vigilant to society and being civilized but still find themselves believing things that Jack and the other savages say.
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Post by Cora Meenan on Apr 9, 2020 15:21:46 GMT
In Lord of the flies, Simon serves the story as a sort of Christ figure, both by the traits he exhibits when he is alive but also in his truly unfortunate death near the end of the story. Similar to Christ, Simon is an inherently “good” character, he is selfless and supportive whenever he gets the chance, comforting Ralph and reassuring him that “You’ll get back safe. I think so anyway” (Golding 103). While this line manages to bring comfort to Ralph he mentions nothing about his own well being, foreshadowing his violent death later on. His compassion for each and every boy in the group is displayed even in his last moments. Simon is murdered by his own people in an effort to save them from the fear of the beast that drove them essentially to madness. This parallels the crucifixion of Jesus. What Golding communicates through the character of Simon is that everyone contains the potential to be good or evil but it is truly your choice on which impulse to act on, no matter how dire the circumstances are. While his goodness may be what got him killed in the end Simon stayed true to himself and never submitted to the brutality and savageness that the other boys demonstrated, remaining the same selfless boy he was when he arrived at the island.
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Post by benjkoller on Apr 9, 2020 15:59:22 GMT
Simon is similar to a christ figure in several ways. He calms and comforts the other children and thinks logically. He also dies similarly to christ, crucified by his own people. On page 111 Golding writes, "Simon nodded. 'All the same. You'll get back all right.'" This foreshadows his death by using "you'll" as opposed to "we'll". This occurs when Simon is comforting Ralph. he speaks explicitly about Ralph, rather than himself or the both of them. Golding represents good and evil throughout all of the boys. Simon is clearly a representative of good but evil is made aware of through his hallucination of the talking pig head. Ralph and Piggy are somewhat in the middle acting good but still participating in evil. Jack and the hunters have become savages. They care only about violence and killing, a clear representative of the evil in the book.
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